Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. - Romans 5

Sunday, April 13, 2014

Where we draw the line between Love and Obedience

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/world.vision.usa.allows.employees.in.same.sex.marriages/36365.htm

but the way that it manifested shows a lack of godly wisdom
this still all boils down to legalism...
it is legalistic to not love everyone and try to be unified
but is obedience more important than legalism?

you once said that the greatest love we can give someone is the gospel
we can give them food, shelter, medicine, attention, but these are temporary things. what they need most is the gospel
http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/whatever-is-not-from-faith-is-sin-really

basically no matter how much "good" you are trying to do, if you aren't doing it for God's glory then its moot
or sin as John Piper puts it

i mean yeah right in the grander scheme of things you're not actually helping the person or even really loving them

right you can treat them fairly and just all their life but if they're still destined for hell then it's pretty much pointless

It is hard to tell people that the reason why evangelicals are not supporting World Vision's decision isn't because they want to be legalistic, un-compromising, un-loving, but they believe God's sovereignty and glory are more important, even more important than following the call of social justice. We ought to reach the poor and powerless with the Gospel in hand along with worldly necessities. God is more glorified when we take a stand for truth and reason behind doing good than just focusing on doing good works alone (along the same lines of how Hell existing brings God more glory, instead of everyone just going to heaven, which is what our culture wishes)
and I'm totally okay with World Vision employing gay Christians, just not same-sex married gay Christians (who I would argue aren't Christian at all). along the same lines I'm okay with them employing REPENTANT murderers, child molesters, rapists etc

and back to the other article, really working side-by-side with non-believers (not rebelling Christians) really gives you an opportunity to preach the gospel to them, and tell them why it is really important to know the reason behind why we do good works

There is a common, worldly kind of “Christianity” in this day, which many have - a cheap Christianity that offends nobody, and requires no sacrifice - which costs nothing and is worth nothing.” -J.C. Ryle

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2013/03/27/when-did-idolatry-become-compatible-with-christianity/
It is very easy to tell when a church is doing something wrong, when it starts to create a Christianity that agrees with the world, one that masks not offending anyone and not sacrificing anyone under the guise of "unity." It doesn't work that way. We are called to not be part of the world, but apart from it.

1 John 2:15-17
Do Not Love the World
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

John 15:19
If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

Same-sex marriage is a love issue and a marriage issue, and that makes it a gospel issue - Matt Chandler

What is the point of doing good in this world and helping people if it doesn't give glory to God? Nothing!

What separates Christian groups from humanistic or other religious groups when tackling the issue of poverty and brokenness in the world? Aren't we called to be different? Weren't we created to glorify the great I AM? Above all else? How do we love others if we don't point them to Love? "I love you because God loved me infinitely."

Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever. - Westminster Catechism

Is it really that wrong to think that though Jesus wants to be all inclusive, it cannot be because of sin? And that this causes those who belong to the Lord to be excluded from the world? Does it make us haters, legalistic, or exclusive? God is all loving, but is God all accepting? Jesus extended His hand to everyone, but does that mean He promised no sacrifice, not cost as well?

My Jesus is the Jesus who paid the full cost on the Cross, not a Jesus who wants everyone to be unified and happy. That is what the Bible taught me.

A recent event that occurred was the changing of policy by World Vision allowing people in same-sex marriages be employed who profess to be Christian. The question is, do I call these people my brothers and sisters, even though they indulge in constant rebellion against God’s Word? Would Jesus still invite them to serve with Him, even knowing that they refuse to acknowledge this sin but in all other ways have a heart for love? Is this heart one that glorifies God in every way, or just one that believes in doing good works aka help the poor and powerless, not unlike atheists, humanists, or other religious groups? Would Jesus want to coexist with other groups, or would He remind us that He is the only Way? Would Jesus want us to still support World Vision’s mission in serving the needy as commanded multiple times in Scripture (by the Law, the prophets, Paul, and Christ Himself), or would He tell us to abandon World Vision on grounds that they have forsaken the marriage aspect of the Gospel and have compromised God’s glory for man’s glory? Does it make God look bigger if we abandoned World Vision, or continue to support them despite politics? Is this really a compromise of theology, despite their claims of not being a theological arm of the Body? How far will compromise lead to? Is this really a case of “sin and Christ” attempting to unite?

How are these people different from the gay Christians who admit their sin and struggle daily to live a life glorifying God? In a way, them just trying, and continue to try their entire life does make God look big. Big kudos to these brothers and sisters in Christ. Please do not belittle these people who are trying so hard to live out a testimony that makes God the most important piece of their lives.

"The greatest disease in the West today is not TB or leprosy; it is being unwanted, unloved, and uncared for. We can cure physical diseases with medicine, but the only cure for loneliness, despair, and hopelessness is love. There are many in the world who are dying for a piece of bread but there are many more dying for a little love. The poverty in the West is a different kind of poverty -- it is not only a poverty of loneliness but also of spirituality. There's a hunger for love, as there is a hunger for God.” -Mother Teresa

People need God above all other needs. Poverty is not just a physical issue, it is a spiritual one as well.

But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Philippians 1:18

I will use this verse so that I don't have to condemn World Vision as others have. Yes, it is a false motive and a very selfish one to twist scripture to justify one's sexual identity (actions and lifestyles that spawn from it), as it puts sexual identity as an idol in replacement of our identity as God's children, but through all this God can still use these people and World Vision to preach the Gospel.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/march-web-only/world-vision-reverses-decision-gay-same-sex-marriage.html
http://m.nationalreview.com/corner/375644/russell-moore-fears-no-man-michael-potemra
http://jsparkblog.com/2013/04/22/the-forced-falsed-dichotomy-of-for-and-against-how-a-binary-system-fails-to-resolve-our-deepest-issues/ 
http://jspark3000.tumblr.com/post/84245521493/hello-mr-park-i-have-a-question-what-does-the 
http://jspark3000.tumblr.com/post/84327097063/reactionary-culture-im-not-like-those-other

More related links (to utterly and completely confuse everyone):
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-conduct.html
http://www.charismamag.com/life/relationships/20129-sexual-atheism-christian-dating-data-reveals-a-deeper-spiritual-malaise
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2013/09/03/false-freedom-and-the-slavery-of-autonomy/
http://jspark3000.tumblr.com/post/81594558667/how-do-i-know-if-its-god-or-the-devil-a-mega-post-on
http://jspark3000.tumblr.com/post/82514992443/im-curious-about-your-view-that-reformed-calvinists
http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/a/Obedience-To-God.htm
http://thinkpoint.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/5-arguments-against-eternal-punishment/
http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/march/why-hobby-lobby-is-this-years-supreme-court-case-to-watch.html
http://www.redletterchristians.org/rip-rob-bell/
http://www.mjkimpan.com/re-text/
http://theamericanjesus.net/?p=5396
(I am not going to say I support any of these links, as some of them are contradictory, but I am saying if you look really closely they are all related at the deepest level)

"The world doesn't read the bible, but it reads Christians" (1 Peter 2:12)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4o0o8a1Sng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIw6ngIqaD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WY0zTygEyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDQWQE-oztQ

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